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Iran vs. RNC: no comparison other than (repeated) failure of traditional media

by: Joe Bodell

Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:10:24 AM CDT


Grace Kelly asked that I remove my criticisms of her Iran/RNC post from the post itself, so in an honest attempt to be the magnanimous one, I will:

It's insulting to the progressive movement and our shared values to imply that there is some kind of rational comparison between what happened at last year's Republican National Convention and the violence and turmoil occurring now in Iran.

The protestors who caused trouble in St. Paul last year were there to cause trouble, not make some kind of larger political point. Those who were there to make a political point were co-opted by the troublemakers. Since the RNC, most of the filed charges have been dropped, and the physical injuries have healed.

Do we even know yet how many have died in Iran because they took to the streets to speak out against their government? How many have been beaten to death by the Basij militia while on their way to the hospital for treatment from other injuries? How many media outlets have had their doors locked by the Iranian police?

The only equivalency between the two events, as far as I'm concerned, is the failure of the traditional media to cover them properly. Last year, The Uptake ate the collective lunch of the Twin Cities' and national media on what was going on outside the XCel center, and now we have newspapers reprinting Twitter messages as news because there's no other way to get information out of Tehran.

But the equivalency stops there.

Are changes needed in our enforcement policies? You bet. Those changes appear to be happening -- mostly out of the public eye, but MPR has done some good reporting on the aftermath and learning experience for both local police and policymakers on the matter. It's getting better.

As Americans, I am of the opinion that we have become more than a little spoiled by the rights we see as ours, with little more than a slap on the wrist and a pat on the head to remind us of the struggles that led to those rights' codification into law.

It would do us well to remember that elsewhere around the world, people are still dying for the rights we hold so dear -- and would be beaten to death on the spot if caught doing some of the things that happened in St. Paul last year.

It would do us well to remember how lucky we are that ours is a nation of laws. It's not perfect, but no political order ever is, and the genius of American law and jurisprudence is its ability to change with the times.

It would do us well to remember the dead and still-struggling around the world without comparing our comfortable lives here to their agony.

Making such a spurious comparison cheapens their sacrifices and makes us as Americans sound like the whiners as which much of the world already sees us.  

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We don't torture, remember that (0.00 / 0)
Quite frankly, how the US looks to a white upper class male is way different than the US looks to the rest of us. What you don't know is there were deaths at the Ramsey County Jail at various times. What you don't know is that when people die because of police abuse or police neglect - that it is invisible news.

Remember the "We don't torture" lesson when you talk about what you don't know happened at St Paul. That weapon pointed at me was simply "less" lethal and I was not breaking any law beyond jaywalking. A whole lot of us - peace teams, independent reporters and St Paul citizens were trying to prevent the worst from happening.

Just look at my reporting:  

We were following on the sidewalk, when Eric's mom noticed that a person had been maced. You see my picture of him, he is in extreme agony, face rigid in grimace with eyes tightly closed.

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And just try to imagine being maced when you did nothing wrong. I did not do the video of this story, because to show a person in that much pain is like showing a person naked. Remember water boarding is just a minute of extreme torture and take another look at this guy. Remember I did not think and still do not think that people could handle the video.  


I'm with the "Proud Disgusting Woman" (0.00 / 0)
Dear Mr. Magnanimous:

I think I see your point fairly clearly.  Those who were at the RNC convention were there, allegedly, to just cause problems.  My Dad used to call them "Rabblerouzers".

However, if you and I were in Iran right now, and both of us had voted for the other guy...Mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, wouldn't you and I both agree: "Those guys protesting out in the street - they're just a bunch of Rabblerouzers!"?

I think your argument missed its point because that crazy-Grace Kelly person, well...somebody already thinks she's disgusting anyway.  Grace has simply pointed out the fact the police, in both cities, have over-extended their reach into controlling the masses.  Now, was the GOP behind the St Police Dept's behavior like the Tehran police is under the control of Iran's Supreme Leader?  I'm going to lend myself into a conspiracy theory and let myself believe that they were.  St Paul PD acted unusually controlling.  St Paul is such a sleepy little berg when it comes to national news, that for them to ramp it all up to the level they did... Phphph...Comeon.  You know the GOP was pushing the Police Dept to act like a bunch of jack-booted thugs!

Your argument on this point is that the extent of the violence, as well as the overwhelming size of the crowds of people, does not compare to that of the RNC Convention in St Paul last year.  Because that's very true!

But St Paul police and Tehran's police are acting very similar on a much smaller scale, you can not deny.  Had those "rabblerouzers" in St Paul been more ferocious and larger in size, we would have seen a lot more similarities than what little we're allowed to see in Tehran.

Joe, you said:


As Americans, I am of the opinion that we have become more than a little spoiled by the rights we see as ours, with little more than a slap on the wrist and a pat on the head to remind us of the struggles that led to those rights' codification into law.

Here's where I really have to agree with you.  ^5 on that one, Buddy.

And here's why: While the GOP runs around screaming about the horrors of gay marriage, they are compelled, like "magnetic north" to use the phrase "Holy Sanctity of Marriage".  As if, "marriage" is some kind of "spiritual" Rosetta Stone directly from the Mind of God Almighty.

And yet today, for the second time in less than two weeks, Governor Mark Sanford admits that he cheated on his wife, following the astonishing news from last week when it was John Ensign of Arizona.

So you're absolutely correct!  People are a little spoiled by the rights as they see as theirs.  They take them for granted and they're compelled to deny those same fundamental rights to others.  It "cheapens" the thrill to take them for granted.

Just the other day, the State Department finally allowed gay men and women traveling abroad to return home in this country - using their "married names"!  You and your spouse never think about it or give it a second thought!  But, for five years now, gay couples in Massachusetts traveling abroad were required to return home with their passports reflecting the names on their respective birth certificates.

It's like the "Ah-Duh" moment when you realize there were rights you had and never knew you had!

Meanwhile, I'm going to take the side of Grace Kelly.  She might be proud to be that "disgusting woman" for making that comparison and I think I'll be proud of her in comparing the two and called a spade for what it is..."It's definitely a spade."  

The Cops have got to Stop.


Disgusting (0.00 / 0)
I agree that the comparison between what is going on in Iran and what happened in St. Paul last summer is not appropriate.   That being said, that does not mean what happened in St. Paul was in any way acceptable.

"The protestors who caused trouble in St. Paul last year were there to cause trouble, not make some kind of larger political point. Those who were there to make a political point were co-opted by the troublemakers. Since the RNC, most of the filed charges have been dropped, and the physical injuries have healed."

Joe, are you writing for the right site?  Because I have a hard time reconciling that comment with you being a progressive.  


Careful, Dan. (0.00 / 0)
I hope you'll explain exactly what doesn't reconcile. Nowhere did I say the cops didn't do things that were out of line. Nowhere did I say I wasn't a little ashamed to see that they couldn't control themselves.

What I am saying here is that the comparison between what happened last year in St. Paul and what's happening right now in Iran is absolutely and 100% false. There is no comparison. What St. Paul went through last year is a way of life for thousands (millions?) around the globe.

And none of that takes away from the reality that there were people in St. Paul last year who were there simply to make trouble, and it was the cops' responsibility (whether they overreacted or not) to do something about the information they had.

Should the problems that led to the RNC fiasco be fixed? Absolutely. Can they be? Absolutely. But don't compare events that cannot be compared.

And don't deign to wonder about my progressive bona fides. That's the kind of puritanical-litmus-test attitude that leads to rump parties getting their heads lopped off at the polls in November.


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asdf (0.00 / 0)
I posted your quote before and I'll post it again:

"The protestors who caused trouble in St. Paul last year were there to cause trouble, not make some kind of larger political point. Those who were there to make a political point were co-opted by the troublemakers. Since the RNC, most of the filed charges have been dropped, and the physical injuries have healed"

As someone who considers himself a progressive, I find that statement offensive.  Mostly because it simply isn't true.  Most protesters were not there to cause trouble.  They were only co-opted in the sense that they happened to be standing nearby the "troublemakers" when the cops moved in.  Not only was their right to free speech trampled, many were arrested without cause and some subjected to frivious prosecutions.  

Were their lives in danger?  No, probably not.  Were they denied due process?  No, ultimately those who fought the charges were able to show John "zero for 34" Choi for the incompetent hack he is.   And that is where the comparisons with Iran fail.  I don't disagree that Iran and St. Paul is not an appropriate comparison.  But its not as far off as you and some others here seem to think.  What happened in St. Paul went way beyond the cops overreacting a little.  


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