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Rybak and MAK as frontrunners (with poll)

by: Joe Bodell

Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:06:34 AM CST


This past Friday, Almanac featured the two top finishers in last week's DFL preference ballot, R.T. Rybak and Margaret Anderson Kelliher. During that show, Rybak and Kelliher did little to encourage any other candidates into the top tier -- a heads-up race sounds like it's just fine with both candidates.

Contrasts were on display during Friday's Almanac, and so are parallels to the 2008 Democratic presidential contest. Those parallels go way beyond the candidates' genders.

No, Rybak-as-Obama and MAK-as-Clinton isn't just a matter of gubernatorial candidates sharing their presidential doppelgangers' chromosomal patterns. It goes to their approaches on the stump and their apparent strategies for winning the party's endorsement in April.

Catch how after the break.

Joe Bodell :: Rybak and MAK as frontrunners (with poll)
Speaker Kelliher has focused heavily on her experience in the Legislature as a qualification for the corner office. Her speeches lean heavily on getting things done -- the Transportation bill, mental health reform, etc -- and bringing people together to do it. Her support from fellow legislator/superdelegates is not just a matter of familiarity -- many see her as having given them a huge assist by getting the legislative session done on time, keeping them from having to explain a special session to constituents in their districts. A not-very-visible political favor, but a big favor nonetheless.

In 2008, Sen. Hillary Clinton got an early boost from party regulars around the country, especially elected officials for whom she and former President Bill Clinton had worked in previous elections. She had a longer record of accomplishments in Washington D.C. than then-Sen. Barack Obama, who had spent just two years as her Senate colleague when they both started running for the White House.

Mayor Rybak, on the other hand, has focused on his experience working with diverse communities across Minneapolis, the most economically and culturally diverse town in the state. Rather than focusing on accomplishments in St. Paul (something he really can't do) he focuses on his executive experience working with community groups, especially those of color.

Presidential candidate Barack Obama's foray into the race depended initially upon his charismatic stump presence and a story of community organizing in Chicago. It was not until much later -- after a string of losses in blue-collar areas to Sen. Clinton -- that he picked up the economic populism that helped propel him to the nomination.

Kelliher also makes sure to mention her rural roots at least once and usually more -- the line "growing up on a farm..." is a common refrain. Rybak makes sure to mention his family roots in New Prague, but he's a city guy, and makes it clear he loves the city he leads.

So how will these parallels play out in the endorsement race?

The ultimate political answer: it depends. Obama won the 2008 caucuses with a flood of first-time caucus-goers -- somewhere around 200,000 of them. Turnout at this year's contest was an order of magnitude lower, but there was still a whiff of 2008 around Rybak's winning straw poll result. The key is that the straw poll was not binding, and thus the central question is "did Rybak's supporters sign up to move on to their Senate District conventions, or did they vote for Rybak in the straw poll and head home?" If one candidate or another has more committed supporters -- supporters who are willing to move on to the next level for their candidate -- then the straw poll means...well, not a lot.

Herein lies an advantage for the second-tier candidates as well -- the Tom Bakks, Matt Entenzas, John Martys, Tom Rukavinas, and Paul Thissens of the world. Although their straw poll results were disappointing, their supporters in that straw poll might be more committed than many who voted for the top-tier candidates. Although Kelliher has strong supporters, and Rybak does too, if there is any consolidation in the second tier, there could be a reasonably competitive three-way race for the endorsement. In this respect, I think Marty may have an advantage -- given his progressive record and strong base among the party's left wing, he's likely to be a second choice on a lot of Senate District delegates' minds.

So it's probably not the poll you expected....but you can leave your thoughts at the tone anyway.

Poll
Who is most likely to emerge from the second tier in the DFL endorsement race?
Tom Bakk
Matt Entenza
John Marty
Tom Rukavina
Paul Thissen

Results

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BTW, I wouldn't put these candidates in a "second-tier"... (0.00 / 0)
MAK and RT benefitted from a large turnout in their Minneapolis base- a couple SDs had over 1000 votes in the straw poll. But that big turnout doesn't give those SDs any more delegates to the state convention. Thus when you translate straw poll results into convention delegate votes one finds that MAK, Bakk, Entenza, Marty, Rukavina, and RT are within single digit % of each other.  

don't assume that was Minneapolis (0.00 / 0)
I'm in one of the Minneapolis districts, and we pretty much looked like the state. I have no information however on who delegates are supporting.

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Dyna will "assume" whatever suits the Entenza strategy (0.00 / 0)
Everything Dyna says comes from the Entenza camp.  Matt gets pummeled in the straw poll, so it must be the fault of Minneapolis.  Matt loses his grip on being an alternative to MAK and RT, so now they go after Paul Thissen given his emergence.  Not a great way to win support, Dyna/Matt.

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And which candidate are you supporting? (0.00 / 0)


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Minneapolis has 10% of the delegates, but turned out 20% of the straw poll votes- (0.00 / 0)
So yes, we Minneapolitans were "stuffing" the ballot box. The heaviest Minneapolis turnout was in the southside SDs, driven no doubt by favorite daughter and sons MAK, RT, and Thissen. But up on the northside in SD58 RT is seen by many as the problem rather than the solution, so he didn't do so well here. But the turnout in SD58 was only a third of what it was in some of the southside SDs, so MAK, RT, and Thissen's straw poll results are inflated by the big turnout there.

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Northside loves RT (0.00 / 0)
That isn't true.  RT performed better in SD 58 than he did in the rest of the state (24.6% in SD 58 compared to 21.67% statewide).  Also, RT received the most votes in SD 58 with 102, followed by Uncommitted with 93.  

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I have said this a thousand times...... (0.00 / 0)
....I am not ready to write off anybody or annoint anybody at this point. The SD (or county) conventions will answer the question of which campaign truly have "game". With nearly 15% uncommitted and former candidate Steve Kelley's 4% theres almost one fifth of caucus goers up for grabs right there. Also, and more importantly, we'll see who really has the loyal base of support and the ability to get their people ELECTED AS STATE DELEGATES. It's one thing to convince people to show up and vote in a straw poll, it's an entirely different scenario to convince people to make the committment to go to the state convention. That will be the true test, and given the variables, I think it's still anybody's game.

"...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine..."----Bob Dylan, 1965.

Good Analysis (3.00 / 1)
Rybak has a double win because of his late start into the campaign. So his unexpected win vs the expected strength of MAK gives a slight advantage.

Above all, most supporters are happy with other candidates. So far we have not fractured the party into warring camps, that would hurt us going into the election.

If the top two do start with negative stuff, then they would be taking themselves out. 20% means any combination of undecided (14%) and any candidates current percent (6-9%) puts that other candidate ahead of the current front runner.

Currently most delegates just had to sign up, not commit. So we now have a race among those who bother to show up and care. Maybe not the same as those who just came to caucus night.


Excellent Analysis, Joe (0.00 / 0)
I think it is still theoretically possible that a third contender could emerge.  The straw poll obviously doesn't mean that the same percentages of people are going to endure the delegate process for their candidates. And although Dyna is mistaken if she thinks Entenza has a chance at getting endorsed, her point about the Rybak/Kelliher numbers being inflated by big Minneapolis turnouts is well taken.

The reason it is unlikely that anyone other than Rybak or Kelliher will the be nominee, though, is that the undecided/Kelley and the soft support for other candidates will move toward the leaders.  People voted with their hearts in the straw poll, and now that we have an idea of where the support is, people will take that into account.  I don't know how anyone who is not a hard core supporter looks at a candidate's six or seven percent showing and is encouraged by that result.  If one of the other candidates had broken from the pack and finished a solid third (Marty's 9 percent doesn't qualify) you might see some movement, but that did not happen.  


Good debate and analysis (0.00 / 0)
Well one thing's for sure. Neither Rybak or Kelliher will likely get caught with cheat notes on their hands a la you know who.

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